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amniotic allograft injections

Postby Violet M » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:06 am

Recently I had a phone conversation with Dr. Jarnagin about amniotic allograft injections. For anyone who is interested please go to the home page at pudendalhope.org or see the following link: http://www.pudendalhope.info/node/112/
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Re: amniotic stem cell allograft

Postby jaxi123 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:31 pm

Isn't this a he Sam injection Hibner used to do but had little success?
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Re: amniotic stem cell allograft

Postby Violet M » Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:25 am

I don't know if it's the same product. I don't think Dr. Jarnagin uses guided imaging to inject it -- just pelvic floor landmarks to place the injection.

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Re: amniotic stem cell allograft

Postby jaxi123 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:31 am

Jarnagin is my doctor and said this was of no value to me as it does not help muscular issues. Hibner stopped these as they were not having success with them.
I have nit heard of anyone who got much better with this.

Speak up those of you who had these injections with Jarnagin
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Re: amniotic stem cell allograft

Postby nyt » Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:29 pm

At the time I had my injection, both Dr. Hibner and Dr. Jarnagan were using the same product. Below is the link to the thread:

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5387&p=47465&hilit=amniotic#p47465
2/07 LAVH and TOT 7/07 TOT right side removed 9/07 IL, IH and GN neuropathy 11/07 PN - Dr. Howard
6/08 Obturator neuralgia - Dr. Conway 11/08 Disability, piriformis syndrome - Dr. Howard
4/09 Bilateral obturator decompression surgery, BLL RSD - Dr. Howard
9/10 Removed left side TOT, botox, re-evaluate obturator nerve - Dr. Hibner
2/11 LFCN and saphenous neuralgia - Dr. Dellon 2/11 MRI with Dr. Potter - confirmed entrapment
5/11 Right side TG - Dr. Hibner 2012 Left side TG - Dr. Hibner
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Re: amniotic stem cell allograft

Postby jaxi123 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:54 am

I wonder why dr jarnagin reports so much success when dr hibner said they had little success with it?
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Re: amniotic stem cell allograft

Postby nyt » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:02 pm

Could be a couple of factors: 1) Phoenix was injecting at Alcock's canal targeting the nerve while Dr. Jarnagan injects multiple muscles and 2) maybe there were differences in the dose and frequency of application.
2/07 LAVH and TOT 7/07 TOT right side removed 9/07 IL, IH and GN neuropathy 11/07 PN - Dr. Howard
6/08 Obturator neuralgia - Dr. Conway 11/08 Disability, piriformis syndrome - Dr. Howard
4/09 Bilateral obturator decompression surgery, BLL RSD - Dr. Howard
9/10 Removed left side TOT, botox, re-evaluate obturator nerve - Dr. Hibner
2/11 LFCN and saphenous neuralgia - Dr. Dellon 2/11 MRI with Dr. Potter - confirmed entrapment
5/11 Right side TG - Dr. Hibner 2012 Left side TG - Dr. Hibner
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Re: amniotic stem cell allograft

Postby Violet M » Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:48 am

Dr. Jarnagin told me that many of the women he injected improved after just one injection but it takes 6-8 weeks before you notice any improvement. I wonder if it has anything to do with the way it is injected. My understanding from Dr. J is that he uses the old-fashioned method of finger guidance using the ischial spine as a landmark and injecting one cm. below that (done under anesthesia). From what you said, nyt, it sounds like Phoenix used image guidance. If you had a lot of scar tissue, maybe the amniotic fluid just wasn't able to surround the nerve to promote healing?

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Re: amniotic stem cell allograft

Postby nyt » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:33 pm

Yes, Phoenix was doing CT-guided injections. I think there are multiple factors why the injection didn't help me and I'm sure scar tissue is one of them.
2/07 LAVH and TOT 7/07 TOT right side removed 9/07 IL, IH and GN neuropathy 11/07 PN - Dr. Howard
6/08 Obturator neuralgia - Dr. Conway 11/08 Disability, piriformis syndrome - Dr. Howard
4/09 Bilateral obturator decompression surgery, BLL RSD - Dr. Howard
9/10 Removed left side TOT, botox, re-evaluate obturator nerve - Dr. Hibner
2/11 LFCN and saphenous neuralgia - Dr. Dellon 2/11 MRI with Dr. Potter - confirmed entrapment
5/11 Right side TG - Dr. Hibner 2012 Left side TG - Dr. Hibner
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Re: amniotic stem cell allograft

Postby Amy01 » Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:35 am

jaxi123 wrote:I wonder why dr jarnagin reports so much success when dr hibner said they had little success with it?


yes i have the same thoughts of contradictions
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