This is the general outline of the PNSBDS Protocol for Pelvic Pain. This treatment has demonstrated success for treating Pudendal Neuralgia/Entrapment and Chronic Prostatitis (NIH IIIB).
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3QjR4b ... daMkk/edit
General information, as featured on the 'Pelvic Messenger':
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pelvicmess ... elvic-pain
PNSBDS Protocol for Pelvic Pain Syndromes
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drkirkandrew
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Re: PNSBDS Protocol for Pelvic Pain Syndromes
Thank you for posting this informative article.
2/07 LAVH and TOT 7/07 TOT right side removed 9/07 IL, IH and GN neuropathy 11/07 PN - Dr. Howard
6/08 Obturator neuralgia - Dr. Conway 11/08 Disability, piriformis syndrome - Dr. Howard
4/09 Bilateral obturator decompression surgery, BLL RSD - Dr. Howard
9/10 Removed left side TOT, botox, re-evaluate obturator nerve - Dr. Hibner
2/11 LFCN and saphenous neuralgia - Dr. Dellon 2/11 MRI with Dr. Potter - confirmed entrapment
5/11 Right side TG - Dr. Hibner 2012 Left side TG - Dr. Hibner
6/08 Obturator neuralgia - Dr. Conway 11/08 Disability, piriformis syndrome - Dr. Howard
4/09 Bilateral obturator decompression surgery, BLL RSD - Dr. Howard
9/10 Removed left side TOT, botox, re-evaluate obturator nerve - Dr. Hibner
2/11 LFCN and saphenous neuralgia - Dr. Dellon 2/11 MRI with Dr. Potter - confirmed entrapment
5/11 Right side TG - Dr. Hibner 2012 Left side TG - Dr. Hibner
Re: PNSBDS Protocol for Pelvic Pain Syndromes
Hello Dr. Andrew,
Yes, thank you so much, I have read most of this article and plan to listen to the Pelvic Messenger radio message this weekend.
I'll probably be in touch,
Debbie
Yes, thank you so much, I have read most of this article and plan to listen to the Pelvic Messenger radio message this weekend.
I'll probably be in touch,
Debbie
Vag pain, leg burning 3/11, SIJ inj 7/11, Pelvic PT, Chiro/acupuncture,
2-CT pudendal blks 11/2012, did help, less deep vag pain
Potter MRI 04/2012 - Scar tissue/thickening at SS/ST, scar in Alcock canal -bilateral,
Hibner 6/12 suggests Botox (didnt do), 8/12 more pelvic PT w/ dry needling
Gabapentin 1800 mg, Lyrica 200 mg, 5mg valium, vicodin as needed
Trying to get rid of central sensitization burning pain in my legs, Valium seems to be helping
Looking into more mindfulness options. . . . .
2-CT pudendal blks 11/2012, did help, less deep vag pain
Potter MRI 04/2012 - Scar tissue/thickening at SS/ST, scar in Alcock canal -bilateral,
Hibner 6/12 suggests Botox (didnt do), 8/12 more pelvic PT w/ dry needling
Gabapentin 1800 mg, Lyrica 200 mg, 5mg valium, vicodin as needed
Trying to get rid of central sensitization burning pain in my legs, Valium seems to be helping
Looking into more mindfulness options. . . . .
Re: PNSBDS Protocol for Pelvic Pain Syndromes
I think the article means well but it is poor quality and verging on inaccurate in many places.drkirkandrew wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:41 am This is the general outline of the PNSBDS Protocol for Pelvic Pain. This treatment has demonstrated success for treating Pudendal Neuralgia/Entrapment and Chronic Prostatitis (NIH IIIB).
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3QjR4b ... daMkk/edit
General information, as featured on the 'Pelvic Messenger':
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pelvicmess ... elvic-pain
Prostatitis is not the same as pudendal neuralgia/pudendal neuralgia. There are a lot of problems with the diagnosis of prostatitis and it is over diagnosed in practice.
Re: PNSBDS Protocol for Pelvic Pain Syndromes
I can't tell for sure if he is equating chronic prostatis with pudendal neuralgia or just including both of them as separate diagnoses in the list of problems that their protocol addresses.
The article is from a few years back so it would be interesting to hear where their research has led.
The article is from a few years back so it would be interesting to hear where their research has led.
PNE since 2002. Started from weightlifting. PNE surgery from Dr. Bautrant, Oct 2004. Pain now is usually a 0 and I can sit for hours on certain chairs. No longer take medication for PNE. Can work full time and do "The Firm" exercise program. 99% cured from PGAD. PNE surgery was right for me but it might not be for you. Do your research.
Re: PNSBDS Protocol for Pelvic Pain Syndromes
I think they are grouping them together for discussion purposes but the diagnosis and treatment is very dissimilar. I think it also implied PN was a musculoskeletal disorder, which was a new one on me.
Violet M wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2026 6:01 am I can't tell for sure if he is equating chronic prostatis with pudendal neuralgia or just including both of them as separate diagnoses in the list of problems that their protocol addresses.
The article is from a few years back so it would be interesting to hear where their research has led.
Re: PNSBDS Protocol for Pelvic Pain Syndromes
Right, I don't even know how chronic prostatitis is diagnosed and treated.
As far as PN, there are a number of different causes so I don't think you can automatically conclude it's musculoskeletal.
PNE since 2002. Started from weightlifting. PNE surgery from Dr. Bautrant, Oct 2004. Pain now is usually a 0 and I can sit for hours on certain chairs. No longer take medication for PNE. Can work full time and do "The Firm" exercise program. 99% cured from PGAD. PNE surgery was right for me but it might not be for you. Do your research.